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Канонический список. (Очень старое обсуждение в англоязычной группе новостей)
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Date: 08-18-92 (06:15) Number: 18175 Channel 1 (R) [HST 14,
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From: MIKE MORRIS Read: YES
Subj: SOME CANONICAL LISTS Conf: (1479) arts.books
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Saturday, the 15th of August, 1992
Part 1 of 5
Terrance Heath suggested maybe we should look at some canonical
lists, and since I thought it'd be fun to do so, I've gone ahead
and typed some in.
I didn't realize at first how long this project might be,
but maybe it'll help out the chap who was wanting reading lists
as well.
I'm in agreement with Dani Zweig that ``The Canon'' really has
fuzzy boundaries. I'd want to emphasize also (as I think the
various lists that follow make clear) that there are different
canons for different purposes. For instance, there are canons
of recommended books and authors among people who only read
science fiction. In terms of the categories Western Lit
or World Lit or American Lit, I think we must also distinguish between
canonization for purposes of readership, for purposes of scholarship,
and for purposes of pedagogy. They're different. At first I wasn't
going to distinguish scholarship from pedagogy, but while I think
Joyce is much the greater writer than Hemingway, I suspect there's
a practical reason of size and accessibility why Hemingway gets taught
the more, certainly in high school.
With each list that follows, I'll try to editorialize a bit at the end.
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List 1: A quote from T.S. Eliot
``Dante and Shakespeare divide the world between them, there is no third.''
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Peremptory, yes? I found this as a jacket blurb on my copy of Ciardi's
translation of Dante. Don't know where it's from.
A personal version of this extreme canonization would be the old
which-ten-books-on-a-desert-island game: I'd want Homer, the Greek
playwrights, Dante and Shakespeare and Goethe and Wagner, actually
(I think of his operas as as much literature as music), and Melville
and Plato and the Bible, and I'm still wondering if I'd want Joyce, too.
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List 2: The Great Books
0. The Bible (not included in the set, but you're supposed
to go read whatever translation you like)
1. The Great Conversation ------- [three volumes of intro and
2. Syntopicon 1 ------------- reference to the set]
3. Syntopicon 2 -------------
4. Homer, _The Iliad_ and _The Odyssey_
5. Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, and Aristophanes, collected plays
6. Herodotus, _The Persian Wars_ and Thucydides, _The Peloponnesian War_
7. Plato, collected dialogues
8. Aristotle, collected works, volume I
9. Aristotle, volume II
10. Hippocrates, collected works and Galen, _On the Natural Faculties_
11. Euclid, _The Elements_, Archimedes, collected works, Apollonius of Perga,
_Conics_, Nicomachus of Gerasa, _Introduction to Arithmetic_
12. Lucretius, _On the Nature of Things_, Marcus Aurelius, _The Meditations_,
and Epictetus, _The Discourses_
13. Virgil, _The Aeneid_, _Eclogues_, _Georgics_
14. Plutarch, _Parallel Lives_
15. Tacitus, _The Annals_, _The Histories_
16. Ptolemy, _The Almagest_, Copernicus, _On the Revolutions_, Kepler,
from the _Epitome_ and _Harmonies_
17. Plotinus, _Enneads_
18. Saint Augustine, _Confessions_, _City of God_, _On Christian Doctrine_
19. Saint Thomas Aquinas, from _Summa Theologica_, vol. I
20. Saint Thomas Aquinas, vol. II
21. Dante Alighieri, _The Divine Commedy_
22. Geoffrey Chaucer, _Troilus and Cressida_, _The Canterbury Tales_
23. Nicolo Machiavelli, _The Prince_ and Thomas Hobbes, _Leviathan_
24. Francois Rabelais, _Gargantua and Pantagruel_
25. Michel de Montaigne, _Essays_
26. William Shakespeare, Plays and Sonnets, vol. I
27. William Shakespeare, vol. II
28. William Gilbert, _On the Loadstone_, Galileo Galilei, _Dialogues_,
William Harvey, _On the Motion of the Heart_, _On the Circulation
of the Blood_, _On the Generation of Animals_
29. Miguel de Cervantes, _Don Quixote_
30. Sir Francis Bacon, _Advancement of Learning, _Novum Organum_,
_New Atlantis_
31. Rene Descartes, _Rules for the Direction of the Mind_, _Discourse
on the Method_, _Meditations on First Philosophy_, and other works,
Benedict de Spinoza, _Ethics_
32. John Milton, English Minor Poems, _Paradise Lost_, _Samson Agonistes_,
and _Areopagitica_
33. Blaise Pascal, _The Provincial Letters_, _Pensees_, and other works
34. Sir Isaac Newton, _Principia_ and _Optics, and Christiaan Huygens,
_Treatise on Light_
35. John Locke, _A Letter Concerning Toleration_, _Secon Essay Concerning
Civil Government_, _An Essay Concerning Human Understanding_,
George Berkeley, _The Principles of Human Knowledge_, and
David Hume, _An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding_
36. Jonathon Swift, _Gulliver's Travels_, and Laurence Sterne, _Tristram
Shandy_
37. Henry Fielding, _Tom Jones_
38. Montesquieu, _Spirit of Laws_, and Jean Jaques Rousseau, _Social
Contract_ and other works
39. Adam Smith, _The Wealth of Nations_
40. Edward Gibbon, _Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire_, vol. I
41. Edward Gibbon, vol. II
42. Immanuel Kant, _Critique of Pure Reason_, _Critique of Practical
Reason_, _Critique of Judgment_, and other works
43. American State Papers, _The Federalist_, and John Stuart Mill,
_On Liberty_, _Representative Government_, _Utilitarianism_
44. James Boswell, _Life of Samuel Johnson_
45. Antoine Laurent Lavoisier, _Elements of Chemistry_, Jean
Baptiste Joseph Fourier, _Analytical Theory of Heat_, and
Michael Farady, _Experimental Researches in Electricity_
46. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, _The Philosophy of Right_ and
_The Philosophy of History_
47. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, _Faust_
48. Herman Melville, _Moby Dick_
49. Charles Darwin, _The Origin of Species_ and the _Descent of Man_
50. Karl Marx, _Capital_, and Marx and Friedrich Engels, _The
Communist Manifesto_
51. Count Leo Tolstoy, _War and Peace_
52. Fyodor Dostoevsky, _The Brothers Karamazov_
53. William James, _The Principles of Psychology_
54. Sigmund Freud, selected works
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First of all, that's my (old) set, not the new one. It sounds like they
added a few more books, probably edging into the twentieth century a little.
I think this is a beautiful course of books on Western Civ with slight
American seasoning, though I count only three volumes with American
works in them.
They didn't include Voltaire(!), but they explain this as the inability to
reduce Voltaire to one representative volume. Also, there's not one 19th
Century English novelist! Almost no lyric poetry.
The included works end approximately with the 19th Century.
I think this canon is more a ``History of Ideas in Western Civ'' canon,
rather than an aesthetic canon like we've been mainly discussing. But,
I personally like to include works of history, science, and philosophy
when I think of The Canon, so I don't mind this flavor in the least.
A great bit of the set itself I own duplicated in paperback or in
other editions, and especially for things like Homer and the Greek playwrights
and Dante, there are much to be preferred translations, but I really like
owning the set for inclusions like Apollonius of Perga and William Gilbert,
i.e. the stuff I'm not likely to find in any other edition.
A number of the volumes here I've read a good bit of, at least in other
editions. For instance, I've read 30 out of Shakespeare's 37 plays at one
time or another. But if I only count the books I've read *everything* in,
I've read volumes 0, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 21, 22, 47, and 48, for
fourteen out of 52 volumes (discount the 3 reference volumes and don't
forget volume 0).
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I will take the opportunity to comment on one point in the article
that Terrance typed in regarding the lack of black authors in the new
version of this Great Books set.
The point was where Adler, I think, was quoted saying something
like maybe a black would write a great book in 100 years or so.
The exact wording of the quote is crucial, and if Adler actually
meant this, then I would agree that Adler was saying something
outrageous. Much more consistent with what I think Adler's notion
of a great book is, would be not that a black won't write a great book for
100 years, but that we won't be able to judge if a black has already
written a great book until 100 years passes. The obvious candidates
for canonization---James Baldwin, Richard Wright, etc.---are all in
the too-recent-and-too-politicized-into-current-politics-to-judge
category for Adler's taste, I'll bet.
Given that reporters often don't quote exactly right, and given
the fine line here that separates Adler saying something
outrageous from saying something quite reasonable (reasonable, that is,
within the context of his canonization scheme), I'm wondering
if he's been quoted correctly?
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List 3: ``A Recommended Reading List'' from Appendix A of
_How to Read a Book_, by Mortimer Adler and Charles Van Doren
1. Homer (9th Century B.C.?)
_Iliad_
_Odyssey_
2. The Old Testament
3. Aeschylus (c.525-456 B.C.)
Tragedies
4. Sophocles (c.495-406 B.C.)
Tragedies
5. Herodotus (c.484-425 B.C.)
_History_
6. Euripides (c.485-406 B.C.)
Tragedies
7. Thucydides (c.460-400 B.C.)
_History of the Peloponnesian War_
8. Hippocrates (c.460-377? B.C.)
Medical Writings
9. Aristophanes (c.448-380 B.C.)
Comedies
10. Plato (c.427-347 B.C.)
Dialogues
11. Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
Works
12. Epicurus (c.341-270 B.C.)
``Letter to Herodotus''
``Letter to Menoecus''
13. Euclid (fl.c. 300 B.C.)
_Elements_
14. Archimedes (c.287-212 B.C.)
Works
15. Apollonius of Perga (fl.c.240 B.C.)
_Conic Sections_
16. Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
Works
17. Lucretius (c.95-55 B.C.)
_On the Nature of Things_
18. Virgil (70-19 B.C.)
Works
19. Horace (65-8 B.C.)
Works
20. Livy (59 B.C.--A.D. 17)
_History of Rome_
21. Ovid (43 B.C.--A.D. 17)
Works
22. Plutarch (c.45-120)
_Parallel Lives_
_Moralia_
23. Tacitus (c.55-117)
_Histories_
_Annals_
_Agricola_
_Germania_
24. Nicomachus of Gerasa (fl.c. 100 A.D.)
_Introduction to Arithmetic_
25. Epictetus (c.60-120)
_Discourses_
_Encheiridion_
26. Ptolemy (c.100-170; fl. 127-151)
_Almagest_
27. Lucian (c.120-c.190)
Works
28. Marcus Aurelius (121-180)
_Meditations_
29. Galen (C. 130-200)
_On the Natural Faculties_
30. The New Testament
31. Plotinus (205-270)
_The Enneads_
32. St. Augustine (354-430)
_On the Teacher_
_Confessions_
_City of God_
_On Christian Doctrine_
33. _The Song of Roland_ (12th century?)
34. _The Nibelungenlied_ (13th century?)
(_Volsunga Saga_ as Scandinavian version)
35. _The Saga of Burnt Njal_
36. St. Thomas Aquinas (c.1225-1274)
_Summa Theologica_
37. Dante Alighieri (1265-1321)
_The New Life_
_On Monarchy_
_The Divine Comedy_
38. Geoffrey Chaucer (c.1340-1400)
_Troilus and Criseyde_
_The Canterbury Tales_
39. Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519)
_Notebooks_
40. Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)
_The Prince_
_Discourses on the First Ten Books of Livy_
41. Desiderius Erasmus (c.1469-1536)
_The Praise of Folly_
42. Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543)
_On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres_
43. Sir Thomas More (c.1478-1535)
_Utopia_
44. Martin Luther (1483-1546)
_Table Talk_
_Three Treatises_
45. Francois Rabelais (c.1495-1553)
_Gargantua and Pantagruel_
46. John Calvin (1509-1564)
_Institutes of the Christian Religion_
47. Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592)
_Essays_
48. William Gilbert (1540-1603)
_On the Loadstone and Magnetic Bodies_
49. Miguel de Cervantes (1547-1616)
_Don Quixote_
50. Edmund Spenser (c.1552-1599)
_Prothalamion_
_The Faerie Queene_
51. Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
_Essays_
_Advancement of Learning_
_Novum Organum_
_New Atlantis_
52. William Shakespeare (1564-1616)
Poetry and Plays
53. Galieo Galilei (1564-1642)
_The Starry Messenger_
_Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences_
54. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
_Epitome of Copernican Astronomy_
_Concerning the Harmonies of the World_
55. William Harvey (1578-1657)
_On the Motion of the Heart and Blood in Animals_
_On the Circulation of the Blood_
_On the Generation of Animals_
56. Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679)
_The Leviathan_
57. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
_Rules for the Direction of the Mind_
_Discourse on the Method_
_Geometry_
_Meditations on First Philosophy_
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58. John Milton (1608-1674)
Works
59. Moliere (1622-1673)
Comedies
60. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
_The Provincial Letters_
_Pensees_
Scientific Treatises
61. Christiaan Huygens (1629-1695)
_Treatise on Light_
62. Benedict de Spinoza (1632-1677)
_Ethics_
63. John Locke (1632-1704)
_Letter Concerning Toleration_
``Of Civil Government''
_Essay Concerning Human Understanding_
_Thoughts Concerning Education_
64. Jean Baptiste Racine (1639-1699)
Tragedies
65. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
_Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy_
_Optics_
66. Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz (1646-1716)
_Discourse on Metaphysics_
_New Essays Concerning Human Understanding_
_Monadology_
67. Daniel Defoe (1660-1731)
_Robinson Crusoe_
68. Jonathon Swift (1667-1745)
_A Tale of a Tub_
_Journal to Stella_
_Gulliver's Travels_
_A Modest Proposal_
69. William Congreve (1670-1729)
_The Way of the World_
70. George Berkeley (1685-1753)
_Principles of Human Knowledge_
71. Alexander Pope (1688-1744)
_Essay on Criticism_
_Rape of the Lock_
_Essay on Man_
72. Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu (1689-1755)
_Persian Letters_
_Spirit of Laws_
73. Voltaire (1694-1778)
_Letters on the English_
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_Candide_
_Philosophical Dictionary_
74. Henry Fielding (1707-1754)
_Joseph Andrews_
_Tom Jones_
75. Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)
_The Vanity of Human Wishes_
_Dictionary_
_Rasselas_
_The Lives of the Poets_
76. David Hume (1711-1776)
_Treatise on Human Nature_
_Essays Moral and Political_
_An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding_
77. Jean Jaques Rousseau (1712-1778)
_On the Origin of Inequality_
_On the Political Economy_
_Emile_
_The Social Contract_
78. Laurence Sterne (1713-1768)
_Tristram Shandy_
_A Sentimental Journey through France and Italy_
79. Adam Smith (1723-1790)
_The Theory of Moral Sentiments_
_Wealth of Nations_
80. Immanuel Kant (1724-1804)
_Critique of Pure Reason_
_Fundamental Principles of the Metaphysics of Morals_
_Critique of Practical Reason_
_The Science of Right_
_Critique of Judgment_
_Perpetual Peace_
81. Edward Gibbon (1737-1794)
_The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire_
_Autobiography_
82. James Boswell (1740-1795)
Journal
_Life of Samuel Johnson, Ll.D._
83. Antoine Laurent Lavoisier (1743-1794)
_Elements of Chemistry_
84. John Jay (1745-1829), James Madison (1751-1836), and Alexander Hamilton
(1757-1804)
_Federalist Papers_
(together with Articles of Confederation, Constitution of the
United States, and Declaration of Independence)
85. Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832)
_Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation_
_Theory of Fictions_
86. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
_Faust_
_Poetry and Truth_
87. Jean Baptiste Joseph Fourier (1768-1830)
_Analytical Theory of Heat_
88. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831)
_Phenomenology of Spirit_
_Philosophy of Right_
_Lectures on the Philosophy of History_
89. William Wordsworth (1770-1850)
Poems
90. Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1772-1834)
Poems
_Biographia Literaria_
91. Jane Austen (1775-1817)
_Pride and Prejudice_
_Emma_
92. Karl von Clausewitz (1780-1831)
_On War_
93. Stendhal (1783-1842)
_The Red and the Black_
_The Charterhouse of Parma_
_On Love_
94. George Gordon, Lord Byron (1788-1824)
_Don Juan_
95. Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
_Studies in Pessimism_
96. Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
_Chemical History of a Candle_
_Experimental Researches in Electricity_
97. Charles Lyell (1797-1875)
_Principles of Geology_
98. Auguste Comte (1798-1857)
_The Positive Philosophy_
99. Honore de Balzac (1799-1850)
_Pere Goriot_
_Eugenie Grandet_
100. Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
_Representative Men_
_Essays_
_Journal_
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101. Nathaniel Hawthorne (1804-1864)
_The Scarlet Letter_
102. Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859)
_Democracy in America_
103. John Stuart Mill (1806-1873)
_A System of Logic_
_On Liberty_
_Representative Government_
_Utilitarianism_
_The Subjection of Women_
_Autobiography_
104. Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
_The Origin of Species_
_The Descent of Man_
_Autobiography_
105. Charles Dickens (1812-1870)
Works
106. Claude Bernard (1813-1878)
_Introduction to the Study of Experimental Medicine_
107. Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
_Civil Disobedience_
_Walden_
108. Karl Marx (1818-1883)
_Capital_
(together with _Communist Manifesto_)
109. George Eliot (1819-1880)
_Adam Bede_
_Middlemarch_
110. Herman Melville (1819-1891)
_Moby Dick_
_Billy Budd_
111. Fyodor Dostoevsky (1821-1881)
_Crime and Punishment_
_The Idiot_
_The Brothers Karamazov_
112. Gustave Flaubert (1821-1880)
_Madame Bovary_
_Three Stories_
113. Henrik Ibsen (1828-1906)
Plays
114. Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910)
_War and Peace_
_Anna Karenina_
_What is Art?_
_Twenty-Three Tales_
115. Mark Twain (1835-1910)
_The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn_
_The Mysterious Stranger_
116. William James (1842-1910)
_The Principles of Psychology_
_The Varieties of Religious Experience_
_Pragamatism_
_Essays in Radical Empiricism_
117. Henry James (1843-1916)
_The American_
_The Ambassadors_
118. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (1844-1900)
_Thus Spoke Zarathustra_
_Beyond Good and Evil_
_The Geneology of Morals_
_The Will to Power_
119. Jules Henri Poincare (1854-1912)
_Science and Hypothesis_
_Science and Method_
120. Sigmund Freud (1856-1939)
_The Interpretation of Dreams_
_Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis_
_Civilization and Its Discontents_
_New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis_
121. George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Plays and Prefaces
122. Max Planck (1858-1947)
_Origin and Development of the Quantum Theory_
_Where Is Science Going?_
_Scientific Autobiography_
123. Henri Bergson (1859-1941)
_Time and Free Will_
_Matter and Memory_
_Creative Evolution_
_The Two Sources of Morality and Religion_
124. John Dewey (1859-1952)
_How We Think_
_Democracy and Education_
_Experience and Nature_
_Logic, the Theory of Inquiry_
125. Alfred North Whitehead (1861-1947)
_An Introduction to Mathematics_
_Science and the Modern World_
_The Aims of Education and Other Essays_
_Adventures of Ideas_
126. George Santayana (1863-1952)
_The Life of Reason_
_Skepticism and Animal Faith_
_Persons and Places_
127. Nikolai Lenin (1870-1924)
_The State and Revolution_
128. Marcel Proust (1871-1922)
_Remembrance of Things Past_
129. Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)
_The Problems of Philosophy_
_The Analsysis of Mind_
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_An Inquiry into Meaning and Truth_
_Human Knowledge; Its Scope and Limits_
130. Thomas Mann (1875-1955)
_The Magic Mountain_
_Joseph and His Brothers_
131. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
_The Meaning of Relativity_
_On the Method of Theoretical Physics_
_The Evolution of Physics_ (with L. Infeld)
132. James Joyce (1882-1941)
``The Dead'' in _Dubliners_
_Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man_
_Ulysses_
133. Jaques Maritain (1882- )
_Art and Scholasticism_
_The Degrees of Knowledge_
_The Rights of Man and Natural Law_
_True Humanism_
134. Franz Kafka (1883-1924)
_The Trial_
_The Castle_
135. Arnold Toynbee (1889- )
_A Study of History_
_Civilization on Trial_
136. Jean Paul Sartre (1905- )
_Nausea_
_No Exit_
_Being and Nothingness_
137. Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn (1918- )
_The First Circle_
_The Cancer Ward_
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Wow! Two whole people born in this century!
There's a new edition of _How to Read a Book_ out with a slightly
updated list, so the one here is out of date. (I strongly recommend
reading the book, by the way.)
Mortimer Adler and his circle are sort of the canonical canonizers,
the people the ``canon-bashers'' love to hate, as it were.
This list duplicates much of the Great Books set. I think it's like
the short list from which the actual books to be included in the Set
were chosen. So, it maybe gives an example of the act of choosing
a smaller set of books from the larger set, or canonization in action.
Clearly, Dickens and Voltaire were excluded because they are not reducible
to one volume.
This list, to my mind, still has the character of a History of Ideas
in Western Civ Canon, although it does a little better on including
works of the imagination than the Great Books list does.
Though I haven't seen the new Great Books set, this does make me think
that the criticism of that set for not being inclusive of black authors
(in the article that Terrance Heath posted for us) is a little bit
off the mark. Adler's canon is going in a completely different direction
than an aesthetic, literary canon would go. Also, it's deliberately
biased to *old* books. And older almost always means less democratically
egalitarian, for obvious reasons.
Again, though I've read sizable chunks of a lot more, if I count only
the entries where I've read everything, I've read 1., 2., 3., 4., 5.,
6., 7., 8., 9., 10., 11., 12., 13., 14., 15., 17., 24., 25., 28., 29.,
30., 33., 41., 94., 101., and 132., for a total of 26 out of 137 on this list.
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List 6: The Library of America
1. Herman Melville, _Typee_, _Omoo_, _Mardi_
2. Nathaniel Hawthorne, _Tales and Sketches_
3. Walt Whitman, _Poetry and Prose_
4. Harriet Beecher Stowe, _Three Novels_
5. Mark Twain, _Mississippi Writings_
6. Jack London, _Novels and Stories_
7. Jack London, _Novels and Social Writings_
8. William Dean Howells, _Novels 1875-1886_
9. Herman Melville, _Redburn_, _White-Jacket_, _Moby Dick_
10. Nathaniel Hawthorne, _Novels_
11. Francis Parkman, _France and England in North America_, vol. I
12. Francis Parkman, _France and England in North America_, vol. II
13. Henry James, _Novels 1871-1880_
14. Henry Adams, _Novels_, _Mont Sant Michel_, _The Education_
15. Ralph Waldo Emerson, _Essays and Lectures_
16. Washington Irving, _History, Tales, and Sketches_
17. Thomas Jefferson, _Writings_
18. Stephen Crane, _Prose and Poetry_
19. Edgar Allan Poe, _Poetry and Tales_
20. Edgar Allan Poe, _Essays and Reviews_
21. Mark Twain, _The Innocents Abroad_, _Roughing It_
22. Henry James, _Essays, American & English Writers_
23. Henry James, _European Writers & The Prefaces_
24. Herman Melville, _Pierre_, _Israel Potter, The Confidence-Man_,
_Tales_, & _Billy Budd_
25. William Faulkner, _Novels 1930-1935_
26. James Fenimore Cooper, _The Leatherstocking Tales_ vol. I
27. James Fenimore Cooper, _The Leatherstocking Tales_ vol. II
28. Henry David Thoreau, _A Week_, _Walden_, _The Maine Woods_, _Cape Cod_
29. Henry James, _Novels 1881-1886_
30. Edith Wharton, _Novels_
31. Henry Adams, _History of the United States during the Administration
of Jefferson_
32. Henry Adams, _History of the United States during the Administration
of Madison_
33. Frank Norris, _Novels and Essays_
34. W.E.B. Du Bois, _Writings_
35. Willa Cather, _Early Novels and Stories_
36. Theodore Dreiser, _Sister Carrie_, _Jennie Gerhardt_, _Twelve Men_
37. Benjamin Franklin, _Writings_
38. William James, _Writings 1902-1910_
39. Flannery O'Connor, _Collected Works_
40. Eugene O'Neill, _Complete Plays 1913-1920_
41. Eugene O'Neill, _Complete Plays 1920-1931_
42. Eugene O'Neill, _Complete Plays 1932-1943_
43. Henry James, _Novels 1886-1890_
44. William Dean Howells, _Novels 1886-1888_
45. Abraham Lincoln, _Speeches and Writings 1832-1858_
46. Abraham Lincoln, _Speeches and Writings 1859-1865_
47. Edith Wharton, _Novellas and Other Writing_
48. William Faulkner, _Novels 1936-1940_
49. Willa Cather, _Later Novels_
50. Ulysses S. Grant, _Personal Memoirs and Selected Letters_
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I think this set of books is wonderful for providing editions of
complete works. So, for instance, I've read almost every play I could find
in paperback by O'Neill, which is most of his oevre but not quite
and the LoA edition gives me access to the missing plays. The series is
still in the process of being published, and two volumes of Richard Wright's
collected works have been added, as well as Madison's _Notes on the
Constitutional Debates_, and another volume of Parkman containing
_The Oregon Trail_ and _The Conspiracy of Pontiac_.
Again the bias so far is for older works, but they are beginning
to do some twentieth century stuff, and more can be expected
in the future.
You can find the volumes in bookstores with black covers set off
in red striping, and there are both hardback and paperback formats
available. I subscribe, have now 45 of them, and they send them
to me at 8 a year at $29.70 US per (this is a little higher than
it would be in the US because of the Canadian postage & tax).
I've read 26., 27., 16., 11., 12. and 17., for 6 out of 51 of these
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List 7: _99 Novels: The Best in English Since 1939_, by Anthony Burgess
|1939
1. _Party Going_, Henry Green
2. _After Many a Summer_, Aldous Huxley
3. _Finnegans Wake_, James Joyce
4. _At Swim-Two-Birds_, Flann O'Brien
|1940
5. _The Power and the Glory_, Graham Greene
6. _For Whom the Bell Tolls_, Ernest Hemingway
7. _Strangers and Brothers_ (to 1970), C.P. Snow
|1941
8. _The Aerodrome_, Rex Warner
|1944
9. _The Horse's Mouth_, Joyce Cary
10. _The Razor's Edge_, Somerset Maugham
|1945
11. _Brideshead Revisited_, Evelyn Waugh
|1946
12. _Titus Groan_, Mervyn Peake
|1947
13. _The Victim_, Saul Bellow
14. _Under the Volcano_, Malcolm Lowry
|1948
15. _The Heart of the Matter_, Graham Greene
16. _Ape and Essence_, Aldous Huxley
17. _The Naked and the Dead_, Norman Mailer
18. _No Highway_, Nevil Shute
|1949
19. _The Heat of the Day_, Elizabeth Bowen
20. _Nineteen Eighty-Four_, George Orwell
21. _The Body_, William Sansom
|1950
22. _Scenes from Provincial Life_, William Cooper
23. _The Disenchanted_, Budd Schulberg
|1951
24. _A Dance to the Music of Time_ (to 1975), Anthony Powell
25. _The Catcher in the Rye_, J.D. Salinger
26. _The Chronicle of Ancient Sunlight_ (to 1969), Henry Williamson
27. _The Caine Mutiny_, Herman Wouk
|1952
28. _Invisible Man_, Ralph Ellison
29. _The Old Man and the Sea_, Ernest Hemingway
30. _The Groves of Academe_, Mary McCarthy
31. _Wise Blood_, Flannery O'Connor
32. _Sword of Honour_ (to 1961), Evelyn Waugh
|1953
33. _The Long Goodbye_, Raymond Chandler
|1954
34. _Lucky Jim_, Kingsley Amis
|1957
35. _Room at the Top_, John Braine
36. _The Alexandria Quartet_ (to 1960), Lawrence Durrell
37. _The London Novels_ (to 1960), Colin MacInnes
38. _The Assistant_, Bernard Malamud
|1958
39. _The Bell_, Iris Murdoch
40. _Saturday Night and Sunday Morning_, Alan Sillitoe
41. _The Once and Future King_, T.H. White
|1959
42. _The Mansion_, William Faulkner
43. _Goldfinger_, Ian Fleming
|1960
44. _Facial Justice_, L.P. Hartley
45. _The Balkans Trilogy_ (to 1965), Olivia Manning
|1961
46. _The Mighty and Their Fall_, Ivy Compton-Burnett
47. _Catch-22_, Joseph Heller
48. _The Fox in the Attic_, Richard Hughes
49. _Riders in the Chariot_, Patrick White
50. _The Old Men at the Zoo_, Angus Wilson
|1962
51. _Another Country_, James Baldwin
52. _An Error of Judgment_, Pamela Hansford Johnson
53. _Island_, Aldous Huxley
54. _The Golden Notebook_, Doris Lessing
55. _Pale Fire_, Vladimir Nabokov
|1963
56. _The Girls of Slender Means_, Muriel Spark
|1964
57. _The Spire_, William Golding
58. _Heartland_, Wilson Harris
59. _A Single Man_, Christopher Isherwood
60. _The Defence_, Vladimir Nabokov
61. _Late Call_, Angus Wilson
|1965
62. _The Lockwood Concern_, John O'Hara
63. _The Mandelbaum Gate_, Muriel Spark
|1966
64. _A Man of the People_, Chinua Achebe
65. _The Anti-Death League_, Kingsley Amis
66. _Giles Goat-Boy_, John Barth
67. _The Late Bourgeois World_, Nadine Gordimer
68. _The Last Gentleman_, Walker Percy
|1967
69. _The Vendor of Sweets_, R.K. Narayan
|1968
70. _The Image Men_, J.B. Priestley
71. _Cocksure_, Mordecai Richler
72. _Pavane_, Keith Roberts
|1969
73. _The French Lieutenant's Woman_, John Fowles
74. _Portnoy's Complaint_, Philip Roth
|1970
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75. _Bomber_, Len Deighton
|1973
76. _Sweet Dreams_, Michael Frayn
77. _Gravity's Rainbow_, Thomas Pynchon
|1975
78. _Humboldt's Gift_, Saul Bellow
79. _The History Man_, Malcolm Bradbury
|1976
80. _The Doctor's Wife_, Brian Moore
81. _Falstaff_, Robert Nye
|1977
82. _How to Save Your Own Life_, Erica Jong
83. _Farewell Companions_, James Plunkett
84. _Staying On_, Paul Scott
|1978
85. _The Coup_, John Updike
|1979
86. _The Unlimited Dream Company_, J.G. Ballard
87. _Dubin's Lives_, Bernard Malamud
88. _A Bend in the River_, V.S. Naipaul
89. _Sophie's Choice_, William Stryon
|1980
90. _Life in the West_, Brian Aldiss
91. _Riddley Walker_, Russell Hoban
92. _How Far Can You Go?_, David Lodge
93. _A Confederacy of Dunces_, John Kennedy Toole
|1981
94. _Lanark_, Alasdair Gray
95. _Darconville's Cat_, Alexander Theroux
96. _The Mosquito Coast_, Paul Theroux
97. _Creation_, Gore Vidal
|1982
98. _The Rebel Angels_, Robertson Davies
|1983
99. _Ancient Evenings_, Norman Mailer
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Again, I'd recommend the little book. It's made up of one
page appreciations for each of the novels mentioned. It is
a little maddening, though, because he really doesn't limit himself
to 99 books. Instead, he often will say he chose this particular
book for some quirky reason, and that all the 10 other novels by this
author are equally as good. Anyway, it's a lovely list of suggested
readings in modern English novels.
Of course, I do much better when there are classical Greeks on the
list. I've read 3., 4., 5., 20., 25., 29., 41., and 77., for 8
out of 99.
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List 7: Recommended Reading in Great Literature, Lake Forest Library,
Lake Forest, Illinois
|Ancient World
1. The Bible
2. Aristophanes, _The Birds_
3. Aristotle, _Poetics_
4. Homer, _Odyssey_, _Iliad_
5. Horace, _Odes_, etc.
6. Pindar, _Olympians_, etc.
7. Plato, _Republic_
8. Sophocles, _Oedipus Rex_
9. Theocritus, _Idylls_
10. Virgil, _Aeneid_, etc.
----For background & lighter reading
11. E. Hamilton, _Mythology_, etc.
12. M. Renault, _The King Must Die_, etc.
13. J. William, _Augustus_
|Middle Ages
14. Bede, _History of the English Church and People_
15. _Beowulf_
16. A.C. Cawley, _Everyman & Miracle Plays_
17. G. Chaucer _Canterbury Tales_
18. Dante, _Divine Comedy_
19. W. Langland, _Piers the Ploughman_
20. T. Malory, _Le Morte d'Arthur_
----For background & lighter reading
21. Ackerman, _Backgrounds to Medieval Literature_
22. J. Gardner, _Grendel_
23. M. Stewart, _The Crystal Cave_, etc.
24. T.H. White _Once and Future King_
|Renaissance & 17th Century
25. M. Cervantes, _Don Quixote_
26. J. Donne, Collected Poems
27. J. Dryden, _MacFlecknoe_, etc.
28. B. Jonson, Epigrams, Plays
29. C. Marlowe, Poems, _Doctor Faustus_
30. J. Milton, _Paradise Lost_, _L'Allegro_
31. W. Shakespeare, Sonnets, Plays
32. E. Spenser, _Shephearde's Calender_
|18th Century
33. H. Fielding, _Joseph Andrews_
34. T. Gray, _Elegy in a Country Churchyard_
35. S. Johnson, _Life of Milton_, etc.
36. A. Pope, _Rape of the Lock_, etc.
37. J. Swift, _Gulliver's Travels_
|19th Century
----Poetry
38. M. Arnold, _Dover Beach_
39. R. Browning, Collected Works
40. S.T. Coleridge, _Ancient Mariner_
41. E. Dickinson, Collected Works
42. J. Keats, Collected Works
43. E.A. Poe, _The Raven_
44. P.B. Shelley, Collected Works
45. A. Tennyson, _Idylls of the King_, etc.
46. W. Whitman, _Leaves of Grass_
47. W. Wordsworth, Collected Works
----Prose
48. J. Austen, _Pride and Prejudice_
49. C. Bronte, _Jane Eyre_
50. E. Bronte, _Wuthering Heights_
51. L. Carroll, _Alice in Wonderland_
52. W. Cather, _My Antonia_, etc.
53. J. Cooper, _Last of the Mohicans_
54. C. Dickens, _Great Expectations_, etc.
55. F. Dostoyevsky, _Crime & Punishment_, etc.
56. G. Eliot, _Adam Bede_
57. R.W. Emerson, _American Scholar_, etc.
58. G. Flaubert, _Madame Bovary_
59. T. Hardy, _Tess of the d'Urbervilles_, etc.
60. N. Hawthorne, _Scarlet Letter_, etc.
61. W. Irving, _Legend of Sleepy Hollow_
62. H. Melville, _Billy Budd_, _Moby Dick_, etc.
63. W. Scott, _Ivanhoe_, etc.
64. W.M. Thackery, _Vanity Fair_
65. H.D. Thoreau, _Walden_
66. L. Tolstoy, _War and Peace_
67. M. Twain, _Huckleberry Finn_, _Roughing It_
|Late 19th & 20th Century
----Drama
68. S. Becket, _Waiting for Godot_
69. B. Brecht, _Mother Courage_
70. A. Chekhov, _Cherry Orchard_
71. L. Hansberry, _A Raisin in the Sun_
72. H. Ibsen, _A Doll's House_, etc.
73. A. Miller, _Death of a Salesman
74. E. O'Neill, _Ah Wilderness_, etc.
75. Pirandello, _Six Characters in Search..._
76. G.B. Shaw, _Pygmalion_, _Major Barbara_, etc.
77. A. Strindberg, _Miss Julie_, etc.
78. J. Synge, _Playboy of the Western World_
79. O. Wilde, _The Importance of Being Ernest_
80. T. Wilder, _Our Town_, _Skin of Our Teeth_
81. T. Williams, _Streetcar Named Desire_
----Poetry
82. W.H. Auden, Collected Works
83. e.e. cummings, Collected Works
84. T.S. Eliot, _Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock_
85. R. Frost, Collected Works
86. G.M. Hopkins, Collected Works
87. A.E. Housman, Collected Works
88. T. Roethke, Collected Works
89. W.B. Yeats, Collected Works
----Essays, Short Stories, Expository Works
90. J. Didion, Collected Works
91. A. Dillard, Collected Works
92. L. Eiseley, _Immense Journey_, etc.
93. J. McPhee, Collected Works
94. F. O'Connor, Collected Works
95. Saki (Munro), Collected Short Stories
96. L. Thomas, Collected Works
97. J. Thurber, _Carnival_, etc.
98. E.B. White, Essays
----Prose
99. S. Anderson, _Winesburg, Ohio_
100. J. Conrad, _Lord Jim_, _Heart of Darkness_
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101. W. Faulkner, _Sound and the Fury_
102. F.S. Fitzgerald, _Great Gatsby_
103. E.M. Forster, _A Passage to India_
104. J. Galsworthy, _Forsyte Saga_
105. E. Hemingway, _The Sun also Rises_
106. A. Huxley, _Brave New World_
107. H. James, _The Ambassadors_, etc.
108. J. Joyce, _Portrait of the Artist..._, etc.
109. D.H. Lawrence, _Women in Love_
110. S. Lewis, _Main Street_
111. J. Steinbeck, _The Grapes of Wrath_
112. V. Woolf, _To the Lighthouse_
113. R. Wright, _Native Son_
|Contemporary
----Prose
114. K. Amis, _Lucky Jim_
115. J. Baldwin, _Go Tell it on the Mountain_
116. S. Beckett, _Murphy_
117. J. Barth, _The End of the Road_
118. R. Bradbury, _The Martian Chronicles_
119. A. Burgess, _Enderby_, _A Clockwork Orange_
120. A. Camus, _Outsider_, _Plague_
121. R. Ellison, _Invisible Man_
122. F.M. Ford, _The Good Soldier_
123. J. Gardner, _October Light_
124. W. Golding, _Lord of the Flies_
125. J. Heller, _Catch-22_
126. J. Herriot, _All Creatures Great & Small_
127. J. Knowles, _A Separate Peace_
128. H. Lee, _To Kill a Mockingbird_
129. N. Mailer, _Armies of the Night_
130. T. Morrison, _Song of Solomon_
131. G. Orwell, _Animal Farm_, _1984_
132. A. Paton, _Cry the Beloved Country_
133. J.D. Salinger, _Catcher in the Rye_
134. J.R.R. Tolkien, _Lord of the Rings_
135. J. Watson, _The Double Helix_
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This is a little pamphlet that Martha picked up at the Lake Forest
Library.
It seems to me a little more pop, contemporary than any of the
previous lists?
I've read 1., 2., 3., 4., 6., 7., 8., 9., 15., 17., 18., 20., 22.,
24., 37., 40., 43., 45., 51., 53., 61., 68., 70., 72., 73., 77.,
79., 81., 84., 108., 116., 118., 120., 131., 133., and 134., for 36 out of
135 entries.
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List 9: ``The UWM Bookstore's Select 100 as of April, 1989''
1. _Adventures of Huckleberry Finn_, Twain
2. _Animal Farm_, Orwell
3. _Art of War_, Sun Tsu
4. _As I Lay Dying_, Faulkner
5. _Atlas Shrugged_, Rand
6. The Bible
7. _Brave New World_, Huxley
8. _Brothers Karamazov_, Dostoevsky
9. _Candide_, Voltaire
10. _Canticle for Liebowitz_, Miller
11. _Catch-22_, Heller
12. _Catcher in the Rye_, Salinger
13. _City in History_, Mumford
14. _Clockwork Orange_, Burgess
15. _Color Purple_, Walker
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16. _Communist Manifesto_, Marx & Engels
17. Complete Works, Shakespeare
18. _Confederacy of Dunces_, Toole
19. _Confessions_, St. Augustine
20. _Crime and Punishment_, Dostoevsky
21. _Crucible_, Miller
22. _Cry, the Bleoved Country_, Paton
23. _Dancing Wu-Li Masters_, Zukav
24. _Divine Comedy_, Dante
25. _Doctor Zhivago_, Pasternak
26. _Don Quixote_, Cervantes
27. _Double Helix_, Watscon
28. _Dune Trilogy_, Herbert
29. _Elements of Style_, Strunk & White
30. _Entropy_, Rifkin
31. _Ethan Frome_, Wharton
32. _Fahrenheit 451_, Bradbury
33. _Farewell to Arms_, Hemingway
34. _Faust_, Goethe
35. _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_, Thompson
36. _Federalist Papers_, Hamilton, Madison, Jay
37. _Flatland_, Abbott
38. _Forbidden Colors_, Mishima
39. _Foundation Trilogy_, Asimov
40. _Fountainhead_, Rand
41. _Free to Choose_, Friedman
42. _Godel, Escher, Bach_, Hofstadter
43. _Gone with the Wind_, Mitchell
44. _Grapes of Wrath_, Steinbeck
45. _Gravity's Rainbow_, Pynchon
46. _Great Expectations_, Dickens
47. _Great Gatsby_, Fitzgerald
48. _Gulliver's Travels_, Swift
49. _Handmaid's Tale_, Atwood
50. _Hiroshima_, Hersey
51. _How Democracies Perish_, Revel
52. _Iliad_, Homer
53. _Invisible Man_, Ellison
54. _Jane Eyre_, Bronte
55. _Leaves of Grass_, Whitman
56. _Little Prince_, St. Exupery
57. _Lord of the Flies_, Golding
58. _Lord of the Rings, Tolkien
59. _Madame Bovary_, Flaubert
60. _Man's Search for Meaning_, Frankl
61. _Mere Christianity_, Lewis
62. _Moby Dick_, Melville
63. _Monkey Wrench Gang_, Abbey
64. _My Antonia_, Cather
65. _1984_, Orwell
66. _Odyssey_, Homer
67. _Of Human Bondage_, Maugham
68. _Of Mice and Men_, Steinbeck
69. _Old Man and the Sea_, Hemingway
70. _On the Road_, Kerouac
71. _One Hundred Years of Solitude_, Garcia Marquez
72. _Origin of Species_, Darwin
73. _Paradise Lost_, Milton
74. _Plague_, Camus
75. _Pride and Prejudice_, Austen
76. _Prince_, Machiavelli
77. Qu'ran
78. _Republic_, Plato
79. _Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_, Shirer
80. _Road Less Travelled_, Peck
81. _Room of One's Own_, Woolf
82. _Sand County Almanac_, Leopold
83. _Second Sex_, de Beauvoir
84. _Seven Story Mountain_, Merton
85. _Siddhartha_, Hesse
86. _Slaughterhouse Five_, Vonnegut
87. _Small Is Beautiful_, Schumacher
88. _Steppenwolf_, Hesse
89. _Stranger_, Camus
90. _Stranger in a Strange Land_, Heinlein
91. _Structure of Scientific Revolutions_, Kuhn
92. _Tao of Physics_, Capra
93. _Tao Te Ching_, Lao Tzu
94. _Third Wave_, Toffler
95. _Ulysses_, Joyce
96. _Unsettling of America_, Berry
97. _Utopia_, More
98. _Walden_, Thoreau
99. _War and Peace_, Tolstoy
100. _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance_, Pirsig
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They give out this mimeographed sheet at the University of Wisconsin--
Milwaukee bookstore. It states:
``This list was compiled by tabulating nominations by UWM faculty,
staff and students for the Select 100. It includes changes which have
resulted from nominations received since the original list was released.
We asked you to recommend books which you have found to be so useful and
important that no one could consider himself/herself an educated or
enlightened person without having read them. This is your cumulative
response.''
It's pretty pop, too, I think.
I've read 2., 6., 9., 12., 13., 20., 21., 24., 32., 34., 36.,
39., 42., 45., 46., 48., 52., 58., 61., 62., 65., 66., 68.,
69., 71., 73., 74., 76., 78., 85., 88., 89., 95., 100., for 34
out of 100.
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Final remarks:
I use lists like these as a partial guide to my own reading.
I do read other things.
I ``scored'' myself with each list, mostly to point up that
there's tons of stuff I've not read. I will say that there is
nothing on any of these lists that I haven't yet read which I do not
wish to read (although I'd qualify that perhaps by saying that
_The Tao of Physics_, _The Dancing Wu-Li Masters_, Ayn Rand, and
Jeremy Rifkin can well wait til I've read everything else).
Of the stuff I have read, I would recommend all of it as good
or great books. A good fraction of it is 17-time-readable
literature, especially the stuff on Adler's lists, which is
what Adler tried to select for. This, and the remarkable repitition
across some of these lists makes me think that there
is something quite objective about this selection process.
Also, I would point out that if Mike Morris says ``These are the
two greatest books in the world'', you really haven't any need
to listen to him very much. Whereas if T.S. Eliot says ``Dante
and Shakespeare divide the world between them. There is no third.''
it ought to carry more weight. Eliot and Adler and Fadiman
and Rexroth are worth listening to because they have read so much
more than most of us have. There is such a thing as expertise about
literature, and these guys are experts. Doesn't mean we have to
agree with them finally, or even read half the stuff they have,
but I think we shouldn't dismiss credit where credit is due.
I'd recommend, again, _99 Novels_, _The Lifetime Reading
Plan_, _How to Read a Book_, and _Classics Revisited_ and
_More Classics Revisited_. They are all so much more than
just the reading list. It would be neat to see such books
as _100 of the Best African-American Books_ in the vein of
Burgess' _99 Novels_. Or _100 Masterworks of Science Fiction_.
I'd buy such reading-list books if they were to cross my path
in bookstores. I've read a good bit of 20th C Latin American
literature, and I like reading it alot, so I'd particularly love
to see a guide to it like these.
There's a difference between descriptive lexicography and
prescriptive, and of course, what everybody fears is being said
is that you're nobody unless you've read all these books. In none of
these cases is that being said, I think. I would not use any of
these lists for other than personal prescription. Actually,
I think prescription has about zero place other than in the classroom,
and though, as I said, I'd use it heavily in my ideal 12 years of
primary education, if I could only realize that fantasy, I'd hope
to lay off the prescription more and more at the university level.
Actually, I think the list here that comes closest to a reasonable
high-school prescriptive list is Clifton Fadiman's. That list, with
additions, I think would be a wonderful core high-school curriculum.
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The end. (exhausted sigh)
Mike Morris
(msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
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